[JW Lua] RGP Lua Announcement

Wed Nov 24 22:45:16 CET 2021

This is brilliant news Robert - thank you!

My wish-list for additions beyond JWLua are:
1) support mid-measure clef changes
2) support alternate display meter and properly support compound & complex time sigs

These both seem usually “deep” fixes and I don’t know how many others think they’re valuable.

Carl

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> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 10:17:11 -0600
> From: Robert Patterson <robert at robertgpatterson.com>
> To: "The JW Lua script plug-in." <jwlua at jwmusic.nu>
> Subject: [JW Lua] RGP Lua Announcement
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> This message is to announce the initial release of a new Finale-embedded
> Lua interpreter called RGP Lua. The reason for this project is that the
> much-appreciated JW Lua has an uncertain future. It has not been updated
> since 2017. It is gradually becoming incompatible with new releases of
> Finale, and it will stop working entirely under a likely imminent release
> of Finale for Apple Silicon.
> 
> Nearly all existing scripts should work identically as in JW Lua. There are
> a few incompatibilities, however. Most notable is that I haven't
> implemented finenv.UserValueInput. (You can use FCCustomWindow instead.
> It's slightly more cumbersome to use but looks far better.) Also, the setup
> and development environments are completely different, though simple to
> use. Downloads and documentation are here:
> 
> https://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/-rgplua/rgplua.html
> 
> JW Lua has also had some long-standing limitations that we all would like
> to see addressed. I am interested in feedback as to what is most important
> to the community. Here are some ideas of mine:
> 
> Support for modeless dialogs. This will be easy to implement within my
> code, so I'll probably do it soon. But it will require some changes to how
> scripts interact with RGP Lua, so I'll cover it in a separate post if there
> is interest.
> 
> Moving past Lua 5.2 to...what? To LuaJIT? (LuaJIT is based on Lua 5.1 and
> appears to be abandoned.) To Lua 5.4? (Lua 5.3 and higher introduce
> breaking changes in how Lua number to integer conversion happens which has
> potentially a huge impact on existing JW Lua scripts.) Maybe just stay put?
> 
> Direct support for the new doc-settings classes in F26.2 and higher.
> 
> Addition of missing classes. I'm betting FCTieMods is high on a number of
> lists. But anything I add will need testing beyond what I can do by myself.
> In the case of FCTieMods, I worry that there was some reason Jari never
> implemented it, though I don't see it if there is.
> 
> Two big enhancements already in RGP Lua are 1) support for Lua
> 5.2-compatible C libraries and 2) the option to embed luasocket for
> external debugging or other purposes.
> 
> Best,
> Robert
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> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 11:18:49 -0600
> From: Robert Patterson <robert at robertgpatterson.com>
> To: Thomas Weber <thomas.weber at notengrafik.com>
> Cc: "The JW Lua script plug-in." <jwlua at jwmusic.nu>
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> RGP Lua has its own download page in the link. (And, yes, it's free.) Jari
> still deserves much of the thanks, because this project would not have been
> possible without him making the PDK Framework source code available. All I
> had to do was create a Lua wrapper for it, which was easier than you might
> think. (JW Lua has some undocumented reflection features that made it
> possible to automate a great deal of the wrapper code.)
> 
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 10:50 AM Thomas Weber <thomas.weber at notengrafik.com>
> wrote:
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>> Wow, that's incredible.  Now we have two embedded Luas for Finale!?  I
>> have far too much work for the rest of the year to try it, but given your
>> track record, I have no doubt that this is excellent software.  I just went
>> to your "purchase" page and was amazed that RGP Lua is not listed there.
>> It's really amazing that both Jari and you make your work on this available
>> for free.
>> 
>> 
>> Am 24.11.21 um 17:17 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>> 
>> This message is to announce the initial release of a new Finale-embedded
>> Lua interpreter called RGP Lua. The reason for this project is that the
>> much-appreciated JW Lua has an uncertain future. It has not been updated
>> since 2017. It is gradually becoming incompatible with new releases of
>> Finale, and it will stop working entirely under a likely imminent release
>> of Finale for Apple Silicon.
>> 
>> Nearly all existing scripts should work identically as in JW Lua. There
>> are a few incompatibilities, however. Most notable is that I haven't
>> implemented finenv.UserValueInput. (You can use FCCustomWindow instead.
>> It's slightly more cumbersome to use but looks far better.) Also, the setup
>> and development environments are completely different, though simple to
>> use. Downloads and documentation are here:
>> 
>> https://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/-rgplua/rgplua.html
>> 
>> JW Lua has also had some long-standing limitations that we all would like
>> to see addressed. I am interested in feedback as to what is most important
>> to the community. Here are some ideas of mine:
>> 
>> Support for modeless dialogs. This will be easy to implement within my
>> code, so I'll probably do it soon. But it will require some changes to how
>> scripts interact with RGP Lua, so I'll cover it in a separate post if there
>> is interest.
>> 
>> Moving past Lua 5.2 to...what? To LuaJIT? (LuaJIT is based on Lua 5.1 and
>> appears to be abandoned.) To Lua 5.4? (Lua 5.3 and higher introduce
>> breaking changes in how Lua number to integer conversion happens which has
>> potentially a huge impact on existing JW Lua scripts.) Maybe just stay put?
>> 
>> Direct support for the new doc-settings classes in F26.2 and higher.
>> 
>> Addition of missing classes. I'm betting FCTieMods is high on a number of
>> lists. But anything I add will need testing beyond what I can do by myself.
>> In the case of FCTieMods, I worry that there was some reason Jari never
>> implemented it, though I don't see it if there is.
>> 
>> Two big enhancements already in RGP Lua are 1) support for Lua
>> 5.2-compatible C libraries and 2) the option to embed luasocket for
>> external debugging or other purposes.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Robert
>> 
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