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Robert, thanks for your suggestions, but I still don't get it.<br>
Is there a way to detect this behaviour automatically in JW Lua or
not?<br>
Your suggestion "Move one accidental" is a manual step - or did I
misunderstand you?<br>
<br>
I am looking for a way to automatically detect that this
FCAccidentalMod behaves differently or that there is a hidden
FCAccidentalMod. Both doesn't happen at the moment. <br>
FCAccidentalMod:LoadAt always returns false here in my scripts
(unless I do some manual steps as in my Youtube video). <br>
So I don't get this hidden default value -54 EVPU automatically, but
always 0 EVPU. <br>
Manual steps are not possible here as this is part of my Perfect
Layout plug-in.<br>
<br>
In Perfect Layout there is a comprehensive accidental placement
function which improves Finale's default placement of accidentals
(e.g. move closer together in some cases, allow slightly overlapping
if there is an accidental with parentheses, look at the shapes of
the accidentals and see if this allows for better placement (double
sharps need less vertical space than flats), etc.). <br>
This works fine on all documents - except for this one.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Jan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 08.07.2020 um 15:57 schrieb Robert
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<div>I just tried running your script without modifications and
it detected the FCAccidentalMod just fine. Steps:</div>
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<div>1. Open accidtest.musx</div>
<div>2. Open JW Lua and paste in your script.</div>
<div>3. Run it . (Nothing detected.)</div>
<div>4. Move one of the accidentals.</div>
<div>5. Run it. (Detected.)</div>
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<div>I then modified your script slightly to use a separate
accmod2 for the 2nd note. This works better. It looks like
FCAccidentalMod doesn't work quite right if you LoadAt for one
note then reuse the same instance to LoadAt another note.</div>
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<div>I'm wondering if your basic problem is that after saving
the accimod you are not setting the entry's note flag. (There
is a function to do this.) Generally speaking, you can find
out what your code is not doing by using the text dump plugin
to compare a manual change in Finale with your script's
changes. If you make the exact same manual change as you want
from your script, you can find out any discrepancies.</div>
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<div> Thanks a lot, Robert, for you super quick replies!<br>
<div> <br>
But can I detect this automatically in JW Lua? Maybe you
use other functions/flags in your plug-in?<br>
<br>
When I run this JW Lua code, it always return false when
trying to load an accidental mod.<br>
So I haven't been able to detect an existing accidental
mod here.<br>
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for e in eachentry(finenv.Region()) do<br>
if not e:IsRest() then<br>
local accmod=finale.FCAccidentalMod()<br>
accmod:SetNoteEntry(e)<br>
local note=e:GetItemAt(0)<br>
print(accmod:LoadAt(note))<br>
print(accmod.HorizontalPos)<br>
note=e:GetItemAt(1)<br>
print(accmod:LoadAt(note))<br>
print(accmod.HorizontalPos)<br>
end<br>
end<br>
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Best,<br>
Jan<br>
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<div>This is a perfect use case for the Enigma Text
Dump plugin I sent out a couple of days ago.</div>
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<div>1. Dump your accidtest.musx file using the
plugin.</div>
<div>2. Nudge an accidental right then left, so its
position is unchanged.</div>
<div>3. Dump the file again using the plugin.</div>
<div>4. Compare.</div>
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<div>I just did it, to make sure it works, but I
already knew the answer. This behavior of
accidentals had a subtle change around 2000. I don't
remember the exact date. If the handle is on the
left, it means there is no FCAccidentalMod detail
for that note. If it is on the right, it means there
is.</div>
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<div>You can use the same process as above to
determine what your offsets need to be.</div>
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<div>1. Dump your original accidtest.musx file using
the plugin.</div>
<div>2. Place the accidental where you want it to be.</div>
<div>3. Dump the file again using the plugin.</div>
<div>4. Compare</div>
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<div>I hope this helps.</div>
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at 8:05 AM Jan Angermüller <<a
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<div> Jari et al.,<br>
<br>
here is a weird accidental movement behaviour.<br>
<br>
When I use the Accidental Mover tool (or
FCAccidentalMod -> HorizontalPos) and change
the horizontal position to a new value, the
accidental jumps onto the notehead (!) and takes
the notehead as a new reference position.<br>
This Finale document was created with Fin2002a.<br>
The normal behaviour is that the change of the
horizontal position keeps the reference position
(i.e. far before the notehead) and moves only
according to the new value.<br>
<br>
See this video:<br>
First the weird behaviour, then the normal
behaviour (in the Fin2014 default document):<br>
<a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRLsU40Kog8"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRLsU40Kog8</a><br>
<br>
While making this video I also noticed, that
sometimes the anchor point changed (!).<br>
So maybe there used to be a flag in Finale
(<=2002) which changed the alignment point of
the accidental.<br>
Have a look at the 23. second in this video: I
click on the anchor point and it suddenly jumps
from the right of the accidental to the left of
the accidental.<br>
<a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EjOfAlhwMM#t=20s"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EjOfAlhwMM#t=20s</a><br>
When the anchor point jumps (but this only happens
very seldom, and I can't reproduce it) and I check
the FCAccidentalMod it suddenly returns a -54 EVPU
value for HorizontalPos. While by default (when
the anchor point hasn't jump before) it returns no
existing accidental mod and thus a 0 EVPU value.<br>
<br>
I haven't found a way to detect or to remove this
behaviour yet. Probably it's not even possible.<br>
Attached is the document with the measure from the
video where this weird thing happens.<br>
<br>
Any ideas?<br>
The only thing that came to mind: it was created
with Fin2002a. <br>
Maybe this was a bug in Fin2002a which they fixed
in 2002b? <br>
Or this was something available before 2002, but
not supported anymore.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Jan<br>
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