[JWplugins] Creating parts: spread notes over "x" pages
Lado Derjosz
derjosz at hotmail.com
Wed Jun 12 18:03:48 CEST 2013
Hey You Guys,
I suggested this to Finale Support.
Jari, if you developed this already, I missed it.
Regards,
Jos
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Jos,
I appreciate your explanation of the intended feature more and regarding what you originally intended for it. I am more confident now that I know what you intended for spreading the notes across the pages and will send the request forward to the Finale team.
You are able to influence number of systems to pages, but unfortunately not number of notes to a system. We actually do work with composers to get feedback regarding features and the Finale team does meet on every request that comes in regarding the program. We want to make sure that the program is stronger and versatile for our users and use the feature requests to get as close as we can.
Thanks again for your feedback.
Chester Y.
MakeMusic Customer Support
Customer By Email (Jos Smeets)06/07/2013 03:44 AMHi Chester,
Thanx for everything so far (for taking this seriously any way).
You Wrote:
The feature would potentially take the part that you have edited, maintain the settings that you have applied, and then stretch everything to x pages? Thus the user would have to depend that the program would lock everything while expanding or contracting to the amount of pages you are requesting the part to be correct?
Well, the thing is on what basis does Update Layout work now?
You are not able to influence (set) the number of pages or the maximum number of notes on one system now, can you?
You would probably have to remove locks first (Unlock Systems), because if the feature works well, you would not be needing them anyway, would you?
It might work by preferences like:
mamimum notes per system, maximum pages per part, auto adjust percentage of notes (user adjustable: e.g. between 70 - 80 %) etc.
Maybe even in hierarchical order (user adjustable: 1. pages per part; 2. maximum number of notes on system; 3. auto adjust percentage of notes etc).
You can then, by applying these options choose which one is more suitable for most parts.
You see: some parts are very "full".
Like stringplayers: they almost play all of the time, so they have a lot of notes to play and these notes should be "well-proportioned" over the sheet to make reading easy.
Whereas trumpet players sometimes only have a few notes in a piece. In this case Finale might
"pop up" and suggest: "This part can be set to "y" pages" (= not as many as x) based on "maximum notes per system".
On the other hand, Finale might indicate (pop up) that "x" pages do not suffice in a specific case(part), because there would be too many notes on system "c". "Would you like to go on any way or add one/two/three page(s)?"
Am I making things clearer now? Or have I just complicated things?
I hope you get the picture. There might of course even be more parameters to concern.
Working with a composer using Finale on a daily basis should give you all the input you need.
When described this way it sounds like a feature that may take some work in order to maintain the user's layout while stretching, but would be very beneficial if done correctly.
It would be great if you would only have to hit "print" (that will probably never happen in my lifetime), but having some overall options as described above would make life substantially easier in my opinion (--:
Feel free to respond again.
Kind Regards,
Jos
From: makemusic at mailwc.custhelp.com
To: derjosz at hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:29:23 -0500
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SubjectParts: spread notes over "x" pages. Discussion Thread Response Via Email (Chester Y.)06/06/2013 11:29 AMJos,
I can definitely send the spread notes over pages as a feature request for an upcoming version/update of Finale.
I would like to make sure that I understand the feature a little more before I send it forward to the Finale team. The feature would potentially take the part that you have edited, maintain the settings that you have applied, and then stretch everything to x pages? Thus the user would have to depend that the program would lock everything while expanding or contracting to the amount of pages you are requesting the part to be correct? When described this way it sounds like a feature that may take some work in order to maintain the user's layout while stretching, but would be very beneficial if done correctly.
I had a brief chat with the notation product manager on the membership based update service. He informed me that some software companies, like Adobe, have begun using this model for updates too. It is a very interesting request that I have sent forward to him so that he knows some users are interested. With enough push from the user community, I think a model like that could potentially happen in the future. It would be some time yet if it were to happen, but I definitely did let him know for you.
I will send the spread notes feature request after I get a more in depth description of it so that I can summarize it correctly to the Finale team. Just want to make sure it is right before it goes forward.
Chester Y.
MakeMusic Customer Support
Customer By Email (Jos Smeets)06/05/2013 12:10 PMHi Chester,
Thanx for your reaction, but I have of course done all these things with Utilities.
But, as you might guess, that takes a lot of time and effort.
I didn't find any such function either on the net (Jari Williamson).
Pity!
Maybe something that could be developed in a next release?!?!?!
Talking of which:
Have you (= all of Finale) ever considered some kind of "membershipfee"
instead of making users buy a new release every time?
With my Virus program (Avira) I just pay per year: updates are offered
whenever apropriate.
There's no Finale 2013, but I wouldn't mind paying (let's say E 50-100) each year.
Your technical support is great and probably one of the best in the business.
Just an idea.
Thanx again and keep improving Finale,
Jos
From: makemusic at mailwc.custhelp.com
To: derjosz at hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:28:50 -0500
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SubjectParts: spread notes over "x" pages. Discussion Thread Response Via Email (Chester Y.)06/04/2013 03:28 PMHello Jos,
Thanks for contacting MakeMusic customer support.
Thank you for the information. Finale does not have a feature dedicated to automatically fill "x" pages with notation or the data within the document. However Finale does have a couple features that can get you close. If you use a combination of Fit Measures and Music Spacing, applying them to the regions that you want spread out, you can push all the squeezed sections into a new page, giving the part more space within the layout. These features can be found under the "Utilities" menu at the top. You can also preselect the region and then use the feature, as it will only adjust to what you have selected.
You might be able to create a Finalescript or find a third party Finale plugin that can do this for you. I would check in the Finale Forums to see if one exists, however I have not seen one yet that would automatically apply the spacing by pages.
Please feel free to respond to this case if you have any further questions about this issue.
Chester Y.
MakeMusic Customer Support
Auto-Response06/03/2013 10:07 AMThe following answers might help you immediately. (Answers open in a separate window.)
Answer Link: Comparison of Finale family notation products
Answer Link: Notating chant and other meterless music
Answer Link: Finale files usable in SmartMusic
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Windows)
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Macintosh)
Customer By Web Form (Jos Smeets)06/03/2013 10:07 AMHello,
The last two weeks I've been creating parts and I was wondering whether it is possible to "tell" Finale (as a lay-out feature) to spread the notes of a part over a certain number of pages. Because now it creates e.g. 5 pages, but then some systems are too full (= to many notes for reading comfortably). If I could tell to fill 6 pages that would probably do the trick.
Creating parts (37 of 6 pages the last 2 weeks) is a hell of a job if you want it to look really good, in my opinion.
Thanx again,
Jos Response Via Email (Chester Y.)06/04/2013 03:28 PMHello Jos,
Thanks for contacting MakeMusic customer support.
Thank you for the information. Finale does not have a feature dedicated to automatically fill "x" pages with notation or the data within the document. However Finale does have a couple features that can get you close. If you use a combination of Fit Measures and Music Spacing, applying them to the regions that you want spread out, you can push all the squeezed sections into a new page, giving the part more space within the layout. These features can be found under the "Utilities" menu at the top. You can also preselect the region and then use the feature, as it will only adjust to what you have selected.
You might be able to create a Finalescript or find a third party Finale plugin that can do this for you. I would check in the Finale Forums to see if one exists, however I have not seen one yet that would automatically apply the spacing by pages.
Please feel free to respond to this case if you have any further questions about this issue.
Chester Y.
MakeMusic Customer Support
Auto-Response06/03/2013 10:07 AMThe following answers might help you immediately. (Answers open in a separate window.)
Answer Link: Comparison of Finale family notation products
Answer Link: Notating chant and other meterless music
Answer Link: Finale files usable in SmartMusic
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Windows)
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Macintosh)
Customer By Web Form (Jos Smeets)06/03/2013 10:07 AMHello,
The last two weeks I've been creating parts and I was wondering whether it is possible to "tell" Finale (as a lay-out feature) to spread the notes of a part over a certain number of pages. Because now it creates e.g. 5 pages, but then some systems are too full (= to many notes for reading comfortably). If I could tell to fill 6 pages that would probably do the trick.
Creating parts (37 of 6 pages the last 2 weeks) is a hell of a job if you want it to look really good, in my opinion.
Thanx again,
Jos Response Via Email (Chester Y.)06/06/2013 11:29 AMJos,
I can definitely send the spread notes over pages as a feature request for an upcoming version/update of Finale.
I would like to make sure that I understand the feature a little more before I send it forward to the Finale team. The feature would potentially take the part that you have edited, maintain the settings that you have applied, and then stretch everything to x pages? Thus the user would have to depend that the program would lock everything while expanding or contracting to the amount of pages you are requesting the part to be correct? When described this way it sounds like a feature that may take some work in order to maintain the user's layout while stretching, but would be very beneficial if done correctly.
I had a brief chat with the notation product manager on the membership based update service. He informed me that some software companies, like Adobe, have begun using this model for updates too. It is a very interesting request that I have sent forward to him so that he knows some users are interested. With enough push from the user community, I think a model like that could potentially happen in the future. It would be some time yet if it were to happen, but I definitely did let him know for you.
I will send the spread notes feature request after I get a more in depth description of it so that I can summarize it correctly to the Finale team. Just want to make sure it is right before it goes forward.
Chester Y.
MakeMusic Customer Support
Customer By Email (Jos Smeets)06/05/2013 12:10 PMHi Chester,
Thanx for your reaction, but I have of course done all these things with Utilities.
But, as you might guess, that takes a lot of time and effort.
I didn't find any such function either on the net (Jari Williamson).
Pity!
Maybe something that could be developed in a next release?!?!?!
Talking of which:
Have you (= all of Finale) ever considered some kind of "membershipfee"
instead of making users buy a new release every time?
With my Virus program (Avira) I just pay per year: updates are offered
whenever apropriate.
There's no Finale 2013, but I wouldn't mind paying (let's say E 50-100) each year.
Your technical support is great and probably one of the best in the business.
Just an idea.
Thanx again and keep improving Finale,
Jos
From: makemusic at mailwc.custhelp.com
To: derjosz at hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:28:50 -0500
Thank you for contacting MakeMusic Customer Support. Below is our most recent reply to your online support request, followed by a summary of the request.
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If you do not respond within the next 5 business days, this support case will close automatically. If this case closes and you still need assistance, you can always respond to reopen the case.
Thank you
SubjectParts: spread notes over "x" pages. Discussion Thread Response Via Email (Chester Y.)06/04/2013 03:28 PMHello Jos,
Thanks for contacting MakeMusic customer support.
Thank you for the information. Finale does not have a feature dedicated to automatically fill "x" pages with notation or the data within the document. However Finale does have a couple features that can get you close. If you use a combination of Fit Measures and Music Spacing, applying them to the regions that you want spread out, you can push all the squeezed sections into a new page, giving the part more space within the layout. These features can be found under the "Utilities" menu at the top. You can also preselect the region and then use the feature, as it will only adjust to what you have selected.
You might be able to create a Finalescript or find a third party Finale plugin that can do this for you. I would check in the Finale Forums to see if one exists, however I have not seen one yet that would automatically apply the spacing by pages.
Please feel free to respond to this case if you have any further questions about this issue.
Chester Y.
MakeMusic Customer Support
Auto-Response06/03/2013 10:07 AMThe following answers might help you immediately. (Answers open in a separate window.)
Answer Link: Comparison of Finale family notation products
Answer Link: Notating chant and other meterless music
Answer Link: Finale files usable in SmartMusic
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Windows)
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Macintosh)
Customer By Web Form (Jos Smeets)06/03/2013 10:07 AMHello,
The last two weeks I've been creating parts and I was wondering whether it is possible to "tell" Finale (as a lay-out feature) to spread the notes of a part over a certain number of pages. Because now it creates e.g. 5 pages, but then some systems are too full (= to many notes for reading comfortably). If I could tell to fill 6 pages that would probably do the trick.
Creating parts (37 of 6 pages the last 2 weeks) is a hell of a job if you want it to look really good, in my opinion.
Thanx again,
Jos Response Via Email (Chester Y.)06/04/2013 03:28 PMHello Jos,
Thanks for contacting MakeMusic customer support.
Thank you for the information. Finale does not have a feature dedicated to automatically fill "x" pages with notation or the data within the document. However Finale does have a couple features that can get you close. If you use a combination of Fit Measures and Music Spacing, applying them to the regions that you want spread out, you can push all the squeezed sections into a new page, giving the part more space within the layout. These features can be found under the "Utilities" menu at the top. You can also preselect the region and then use the feature, as it will only adjust to what you have selected.
You might be able to create a Finalescript or find a third party Finale plugin that can do this for you. I would check in the Finale Forums to see if one exists, however I have not seen one yet that would automatically apply the spacing by pages.
Please feel free to respond to this case if you have any further questions about this issue.
Chester Y.
MakeMusic Customer Support
Auto-Response06/03/2013 10:07 AMThe following answers might help you immediately. (Answers open in a separate window.)
Answer Link: Comparison of Finale family notation products
Answer Link: Notating chant and other meterless music
Answer Link: Finale files usable in SmartMusic
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Windows)
Answer Link: Visual Index 2011 (Macintosh)
Customer By Web Form (Jos Smeets)06/03/2013 10:07 AMHello,
The last two weeks I've been creating parts and I was wondering whether it is possible to "tell" Finale (as a lay-out feature) to spread the notes of a part over a certain number of pages. Because now it creates e.g. 5 pages, but then some systems are too full (= to many notes for reading comfortably). If I could tell to fill 6 pages that would probably do the trick.
Creating parts (37 of 6 pages the last 2 weeks) is a hell of a job if you want it to look really good, in my opinion.
Thanx again,
Jos
> From: david at davidmglasgow.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:37:10 -0400
> To: jwplugins at jwmusic.nu
> Subject: Re: [JWplugins] "Smarter" Explode Music?
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> Nope, it happens in 2012 too. :-)
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> On Jun 12, 2013, at 4:43 AM, Lado Derjosz wrote:
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> > So maybe the described problem doesn't occur in 2012 ?!?!
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